Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi · Volume I

Talk 126

4th January, 1936

Continues Talk 125

Dr. Syed on another day asked: “Should any one desirous of spiritual progress take to action or renunciation (pravritti-mārga or nivritti-mārga)?”

M.: Do you go out of the Self? What is meant by giving up?

An American Engineer asked about (association with sages).

M.: is within us.

D.: In the book “Who am I?” you have said the Heart is the seat of the mind. Is it so?

M.: The mind is .

D.: Is it itself or its projection?

M.: The same.

D.: The Westerners look on the mind as the highest principle, whereas the Easterners think the contrary— why?

M.: Where psychology ends, there philosophy begins. This is experience; the mind is born; we see it; even without the mind we exist. There is everyone’s experience to prove it.

D.: In deep sleep I do not seem to exist.

M.: You say so when awake. It is the mind which speaks now. You exist in deep sleep beyond mind.

D.: Western philosophy admits the Higher Self as influencing the mind.

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