Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi · Volume II

Talk 291

5th December, 1936

SPARKS FROM THE ANVIL

Question: You spoke of atyāshrama (beyond the āshramas—beyond the orders of life) the other day. Is there any authority for it? Is it mentioned anywhere?

Maharshi: Yes—in the Upanishads, the Suta Samhitā (Skānda Purāna), Bhāgavata, Bhārata and other works.

Q.: Are there any restrictions or discipline for that state?

M.: There are characteristics of it mentioned.

Q.: There are Gurus for each āshrama. Is there a Guru for atyāshrama?

M.: Yes.

Q.: But you do not admit a Guru.

M.: There is a Guru for everyone. I admit a Guru for me also.

Q.: Who is your Guru.

M.: The Self.

Q.: For whom?

M.: For myself. The Guru may be internal or external. He may reveal Himself internally or communicate externally.

Q.: Can the atyāshramis own property?

M.: There is no restriction for them. They may do what they please. Suka is said to have married and begotten children also.

Q.: The atyāshrami is like a householder in that case.

M.: I have already said that he is above the four recognized āshramas.

Q.: If they can marry, own property, etc., they are only .

M.: That may be your view.

Q.: Can they own property and convey the same to others?

M.: They may or may not. All depends on their .

Q.: Is there any for them?

M.: Their conduct is not regulated according to any rules or codes.

Q.: When visitors want to stay here, say two or three days, do they take your permission?

M.: The permission from the management is permission from me. The visitors come here for me; the management is for me. Wherever there is mutual agreement, I do not interfere. When visitors come here and I admit them, will others dare go against my wishes? My consent is implied in the actions which take place with mutual goodwill.

Sri Bhagavan was shown a stanza in His own handwriting in praise of Himself as Subrahmanya.

Sri Bhagavan said that the handwriting was His own whereas the ideas were Perumālsvāmi’s.

Q.: But do you not agree with the statement made in it?

M.: In the same way as an idol is praised as Subrahmanya.

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