“Brother-in-law! Everything in the visible world is spoken of as ‘svabhāva’. Svabhāva means a ‘quality’. A quality exists only by depending on the possessor of the quality. For the svabhāvas of every person and every living being in the world there is indeed one support. That is called the ‘Ātma’. If one does not inquire into that Ātma, the support, and examines only the world, the supported, the result one gets is only the impermanent. Just as the seed is taken to be the support of a tree's branches, twigs, leaves, flowers, unripe fruits and ripe fruits, all of them, so too the substances compounded of the five elements, all the limbs of the tree called Prakṛti, the world, rest on the seed called the Ātma. If the Ātma, the support of every svabhāva, is taken as primary, the whole visible world is contained within the invisible Paramātma. Only those who come to know this truth through intense sādhana and inquiry can become knowers of the Veda. Those who do not inquire, who do not reflect with Viveka, who hold and argue that only what is seen is certain and take the crooked path, how will they know the right state of things? The feelings that long to know this truth are called ‘divine wealth’; and the feelings of those who argue as if they knew when they do not, who make no effort to know, and whose state is to establish untruth itself as truth, are called ‘demonic wealth’. So there are these two aspects.” The moment the Paramātma said this, Arjuna, who had been listening attentively, raised his head in surprise: “Gopāla! Until now You said that the Ātma alone is the support of all svabhāvas and of all jīvas (that is, You said that ‘I alone’ am the support). And now, all at once, You say there are two aspects, divine wealth and demonic wealth. I understand nothing of it. I cannot see what to believe and what to give up. I have complete faith that You would neither do anything without meaning nor speak any word that is not true. So there must be some hidden meaning in this; otherwise You would not speak so. Because the human mind is covered by the impurity called mamakāra, it is very hard to understand Mādhava's words. With useless doubts we make our lives meaningless. Please tell me, so that I understand, who these divine and demonic ones are, what state they enter, and what their svabhāvas are like,” he pleaded.